This is the official website for the Hound Trailing Association Ltd.

Chairman – J.B.Laidler, 2, Oldfield Road, Windermere LA23 1AZ (Tel: 015394 45200)

Vice-Chairman – P.Airey, 14, Wooton Way, Carlisle CA2 6SW (Tel: 01228 511679)

HTA Secretary – Phillip Graham, 7, Whiteside Avenue, Cockermouth CA13 9AR (Tel: 07881 575986)



HTA Treasurer – John Bromage, Fletchers, Irton, Holmrook CA19 1TD (Tel: 019467 23714). Cheques to be made payable to HTA Ltd.



Website Editor - Margaret Baxter, Ash Cottage, Blencow, Penrith CA11 0DB (Tel: 017684 83686)



IMPORTANT NOTICE: By order of Natural England, no practice trails are to be run on Bowness Moss (Cardurnock) or Whadam Moss (Grassings) without permission from Andy Horn or Brian Shaw (BHTA).

This is a clause requested by Natural England, and anybody who trials without permission is putting Hound Trailing at risk in that area.


The Forestry Commission has asked that no hounds should be run at Cogra Moss for the time being, as heavy machinery is being used in forestry work.


82 pups have now been registered.

Bitch Puppy registrations 2019

Acorn (Eden Rossi x Eden Rosa) R.Smith, R.Dickinson, Kendal;   Adele (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) W.& R.Dawson, Kendal;   Bonaire (Jimmy Choo x Flashdance) Phil Graham, Cockermouth;  Celebration (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) C.Harrison, Fingland;    Celebrity (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) C.Harrison, Fingland;    Class Farah Mo (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) C.Roper, Longtown;     Clearwater (Try Again x Foxparke So Be It) C.Harrison, Fingland;    Cracking Last One (Eden Rossi x Eden Rosa) W.& P.Mellon, J.Pattinson, R.& T.Airey, Appleby;    Eden Raya (Eden Rossi x Eden Rosa) M.Addison, C.Robinson, Great Salkeld;    Fearless (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) N.Wilson, Y.& A.Wilson, S.& T.Stainton, Troutbeck;    Foxparke LOL (Try Again x Foxparke So be It) R,G,N & E.Napier, G.& R.Farren, Coulderton;    Foxparke Mo Farren (Try Again x Foxparke So be It) N,R,E & G Napier, G.& R.Farren, Coulderton;   Foxparke Parma Violet (Endure x Mysterious) R,E,G & N Napier, G.& R.Farren, Coulderton;   Foxparke Twilight (Try Again x Foxparke So be It) R,E,G & N Napier, G.& R.Farren, Coulderton;   Hunter’s Flame (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) C.Graham, D.Reay, Kelsick;    Huntsman’s Orchid (Eclipse x Bedazzled) D.Bland, C.Barrow, A.Little, Patterdale;   Jenny’s Oracle (Endure x Mysterious) J.& D.Bland, A.Little, Patterdale;    Josephine (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) L.Reid, D.Allison, Cockermouth;   Jubilee (Overwater Arnie x Tempress) D.Hogg, Workington;   Lady Gaga (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) W.& R.Dawson, Kendal;  Lady Grace (Eclipse x Bedazzled) S.& C.Jackson, D.Loan, A.Denley, Borrowdale;    Landy Lady (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) D.Bingham, R.Gardner, Tebay;    Lillian (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) A.Blacklock, Kirkbride;  Lilly (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) L.Reid, D.Allison, Cockermouth;   Limber (Eden Rossi x Eden Rosa) A.Blacklock, Kirkbride;   Maggie’s Dream (Overwater Arnie x Tempress) B.& G.Graham, S.Crossland, O.Chisholm, Bassenthwaite;   Maggie May (Endure x Mysterious) R.& G.Farren, E.Napier, Arlecdon;    Miterdale Duchess (Endure x Mysterious) A,SR,S,M,K.& A.Steele, K.Lynch, B.Garritty, M.Thornton, Eskdale;   Muse (Eclipse x Bedazzled) C.Brownlee, Borrowdale;    Oakbank Allie (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) J.& A.Steele, A.Wilson, Skelsmergh;    Oakbank Izzy (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) J.& A.Steele, A.Wilson, Skelsmergh;     Opal (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) E.& L.Crosby, D.Bland, Whitehaven;   Overwater Jazz (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) E.Irving, J.Abbott, S.Walker, Uldale;    Overwater Pippa (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) E,J.& E.Irving, I.Abbott, Uldale;  Scafell Lass (Remember Me x The Penny Arcade) E.& A.Postlethwaite, Eskdale;   Showpiece (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) A.& A.Horn, Drumleaning;   Sojourner (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) E.& L.Crosby, Whitehaven; Summer Secret (Eden Rossi x Eden Rosa) W.& C.Mark, Cumwhitton;    Summer Vixen (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) W.& C.Mark, Cumwhitton;      Thorn Blaze (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) J.Satterthwaite, M.& M.Burrow, Kelsick;    Thorn Blossom (Eclipse x Bedazzled) J.Satterthwaite, M.& M.Burrow, Kelsick;    Tilly Trotter (Endure x Mysterious) G.& R.Farren, E,Napier, Arlecdon;   Tremor (Overwater Arnie X Tempress) W.& G.Todd, Cockermouth;    Trinket (Overwater Arnie X Tempress) W.& G.Todd, Cockermouth.

Dog Puppy registrations 2019

Another Try (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) L,G,H & J.Whitfield, E.Moore, W.Dawson, Moor Row;   Apache (TryAgain x Razzle Dazzle) D,L & C.McGee, Cleator Moor;   Aruba (Jimmy Choo x Flashdance) Phil Graham, Cockermouth;   Blueblaze (Endure x Mysterious) J.Fearon, B.& E.Rowlandson, Cleator Moor;    Blue Diamond (Eclipse x Bedazzled) B.& E.Rowlandson, J.Fearon, Cleator Moor;     BOB (Eclipse x Bedazzled) T,M & C.Irving, L.Reid, Cockermouth;    Buzz Lightning (Overwater Arnie x Tempress) E.Hodgkiss, D.Bromage, DW Crowe, Eskdale;    Captain James (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) J.& A.McClellan, B.Birkett, G.Whitfield, Cleator Moor;    Dash (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove, DW & M.Crowe, Eskdale;   Foxparke Bogtrotter (Try Again x Foxparke So Be It) R,G,N & E.Napier, G.& R.Farren, Coulderton;   Foxparke So Be Him (Try Again x Foxparke So Be It) N,R,E & G.Napier, E.Moore, G.& R.Farren, Coulderton;    Huntsman (Endure x Mysterious) A, A. & J.Little, C.Barrow, D.Bland, Patterdale;    Kinniside Dan (Brad x Sawdust) A.Jackson, I.Rudd, G.Higgins, Cleator Moor;   Kinniside Jacko (Brad x Sawdust) A.Jackson, I.Rudd, G.Higgins, Cleator Moor;   Kinniside Mick (Brad x Sawdust) A.Jackson, I.Rudd, G.Higgins, Cleator Moor;   Kinniside Sam (Brad x Sawdust) A.Jackson, I.Rudd, G.Higgins, Cleator Moor;    Lieutenant James (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) B.Birkett, J.& A.McClellan, Cleator Moor;    Major James (Endure x Mysterious) J.& A.McClellan, B.Birkett, Cleator Moor;   Miterdale Stanley (Eclipse x Bedazzled) A,SR,S,M,K & A.Steele, L.Pounder, Eskdale;    Our Man Mike (Eclipse x Bedazzled) G.Reid, J.Chatters, Cockermouth;   Overwater Flash (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) C.& J.Abbott, J.& E.Irving, A.Farish, Uldale;   Overwater Marvin (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) J.& E.Irving, Uldale;   Overwater Robert  (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) I.& C.Abbott, E,J & E.Irving, Uldale;   Overwater Sully (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) J.& E.Irving, I.Abbott, Uldale;   Overwater Swift (Overwater Arnie x Tempress) J, E.& E.Irving, Uldale;    Peaky Blinder (Remember Me x The Penny Arcade) T.J Postlethwaite, Holmrook;   Pete’s Dragon (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) D.W.Crowe, I.Walker, Eskdale;   Plainsman (Eclipse x Bedazzled) K.Lynch, D.McMaster, D.Studholme, Dearham;    Prospect Spring (Eclipse x Bedazzled) N.Wilson, S.Smith, Distington;   Reebok (Eclipse x Bedazzled) S.Crossland, B.Graham, E.Chisholm, Bassenthwaite;  Shotgun (Endure x Mysterious) N.McMaster, S.Taylor, A.& T.Skelton, Dearham;    Splendid Cody (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) D,S,B & L.Hetherington, Fletchertown;    Showroom (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) A.Horn, Drumleaning;   Salvator (Overwater Arnie x Foxglove) H,W.& L.Park, A.Aleixo, Egremont;   Tommy Gun (Eclipse x Bedazzled) D.& J.McMaster, Alice Skelton, Dearham;    Top Gun (Try Again x Razzle Dazzle) D.McMaster, E.Taylor, A.Baxter, O.Chambers, Dearham;    Wirlin Spring (Overwater Arnie x Overwater Bessy) J,J,J.& S.Jeynes, Arlecdon;    Young Gun (Hunter’s Dale x Thorn Fire) J.Abram, S.Wilson, Ted Skelton, Dearham.




Message from John Bromage: balance sheets, kennel forms and AGM agenda have been sent out – please send subscriptions and completed kennel forms asap.


December meeting, 9th December. Eligible to attend – 59 area committee members, plus 4 life members and 3 office holders. Actual attendance – 24, plus 8 apologies for absence.

B.Laidler and P.Airey were reelected as Chairman and Vice-Chairman respectively until 2021.

Recommendations defeated – 1.No trail to be held at a major trail venue one month before the date of that trail.

2.All 5 major trails and any additional/invitation/joint trails be open to all associations.

3.To be referred to the International Committee – the International should be staged later in the season.

Recommendation carried – Ear-marking to cease (as micro-chipping is now required by law). This will go forward to the AGM for discussion by the members. More information is needed about the

correct procedure and documentation etc. Earliest start date would be January 2020.


John Bromage (Treasurer) gave a detailed summary of the 2018 finances – this was well-received.

Margaret Baxter was nominated by the Executive Committee for Life Membership – to go to the AGM in February.



There will be over 70 awards as part of the presentation of trophies. All 30 major trail winners will receive a replica in recognition of their wins at major trails in 2018: Canny Mover, Lone Rebel, Best Mate, Rover, Silver Dusk, Aspire, Tommy’s Legacy, Westgate Autumn, Rhyme, Bublé, Debra, Washington, Bronco, Rhythm, Overwater Seth, Marlou, Foxparke Peggy Sue, Cuckoo Lane, Demelza, General James, Bedazzled, Wild Gypsy, Lady Anne, Huntsman’s Novice, Red Mist, Rita.



Sunday 20thGrassings (11.00)

Sunday 20thButtermere (2.30)

Official March Trial Trails:

Sundays 3rd, 10th and 17th March – Plumpton P, H, AI (2.00) Delicious cakes on offer at the first Plumpton (3rd March).


Buttermere results – 13th January: P – dead-heat between Eden Raya and Huntsman. Time 8.45, 20 ran.  H – Huntsman’s Major, time 8.33, 27 ran.

High Lorton results – 17th January: P – Acorn; time 5.59, 10 ran.      H – Release the Beast; time 5.49, 22 ran.   “B” race – Canny Mover, time 6.12, 5 ran.


Carlisle & Penrith Area Presentation – Saturday 2nd March, Penrith Cricket Club, 7.30 pm. Buffet and disco, tickets £8, from Amy (01228 712025 or 07709 120662).


Cockermouth/Workington Presentation – Saturday 16th February, Hundith Hill, Cockermouth, 7.00 pm. 3-course dinner and entertainment. Tickets can be reserved from Nicola McMaster, Phil Graham and Neil Brown.


TEAM COMPETITION – RESULT (Please note – there was no sponsorship for the Team Competition last year, so prize money will be less than usual. I hope things will improve in 2019!)

Div 1

1 Dearham Wanderers (Silver Dusk, Rhythm, Rhyme, Rover) 268 £50

2 Reivers (Cracksman, Blondie, Babycham, Washington) 182 £35

3 Jenny’s Rascals (J.Delight, Aura, Breeze, Gift) 178 £25

4 Pick & Mix (Ranger, Rita, Encourage, Eclipse) 162 £10

5 Toyah’s Troopers (Artemis, Nikita, Cuchulainn, Cuckoo Lane) 148 £10

6 Team Miterdale (M.Copper, Spirit, Shadow, Free Spirit) 142 £10



Div 11

1 Tilery Stars (Sultan, Sweet Harmony, Spring Rose, Stand By) 125 £50

2 Pick & Mix 71 £35

3 Dot & Ann’s Lot (Wild Gypsy, Howgill Annabell, Superstar, Super Sun) 64 £25

4 Dearham Wanderers 59 £10

5 Les’ Outfit (Liz, Huntsman’s Magician, Red Dragon, Red Mist) 56 £10

6 Pennine Runners (Cracking Gold, Cracking Spirit, Eden Rossi, Eden Raine) 51 £10




1 – Pat Black (599); 2 – Les Black (486); 3 – Lynn Garritty (483); 4 – Louise Pounder (460); 5 – Ian Fleet (456); 6 – Liz Kenny (443)


1 – Lynn Garritty (64), 2 – Kay Oldcorn (37), 3= Neil Brown & Ian Rumney 34

To be presented at AGM.


Junior points:

Div 1: 1 Rover, 2 Tom Thumb, 3 Miterdale Steel/Miterdale Shadow.    Div 11: 1 Rita, 2 Meadow Josie, 3 Rhyme.

18 – 30 points:

1 Rover (Darren McMaster), 2 Encourage (Darren McMaster), 3 General James (James McClellan)

Team Comp: 1 Dearham Wanderers, 2 Team Miterdale, 3 Tilery Kids.



HTA Points – results.

Senior Champion: Jenny’s Aura.

Puppy Champion: Huntsman’s Nimrod.

S.Maiden: Foxparke Hooligan  Champion,     Sultan  Runner-up

Open Restricted: Sweet Harmony  and Breeze  Joint Champions

Open Maiden: Kinniside Molly  Champion,     Summer Rose  Runner-up

Veterans:  Aspire  Champion,     Night Vision  Runner-up

Puppy Maidens: Encourage  Champion,    Rita  Runner-up

ONW: Copperfield Champion,    Kinniside Molly  Runner-up.

Bert Sowden Cup (most points in tables): Huntsman’s Nimrod.

Tot Kelso Cup (most points in major HTA trails): Aspire and Rita (tie).

Philip Potter Cup (opposite sex to puppy champion): Cuckoo Lane.


Keswick Area points winners:

Hounds: Jenny’s Delight.        Pups: Huntsman’s Nimrod.

Puppy Maidens: Huntsman’s Noel.      Open Restricted: Overwater Jack.

Veterans: Bedazzled & Westgate Belle (tie).     Outside Area cup: Jenny’s Delight.

Derwentwater & Melody trophies: Huntsman’s Nimrod.

Kennel with most tickets: Denise Bland (165)

AGM: 7 attended. 5 trail meetings were held, with 261 entries. Top senior – Jenny’s Aura (26 wins); top puppy – Huntsman’s Nimrod (31 wins).

Main talking point was the aniseed and mixture. It is hoped and intended to reintroduce 2 or 3 old venues next year.


Ulverston Area

Open H: Jenny’s Aura.     Area H: Lady Anne.     Open & Area P: Cuckoo Lane.

Senior M: Lady Anne.      PM: Huntsman’s Novice.      OM: Flawless.     ONW: Border Lad.

OR: Rita, Hawkswood, Jenny’s Breeze, Huntsman’s Magician (tie).    V. Capetown and Aspire (tie)

Most championship wins: Cuckoo Lane.   3 Shows Trophy: Miterdale Steel & Cuckoo Lane.

Norma McLean trophy: Roy Laidler.

AGM: 12 attended. Top senior hound – Persian Bay (3 wins); top puppy, Cuckoo Lane (21 wins, & runner up in the puppy championship),

Area kennel with most tickets, Roy Laidler (57). Area had 12 meetings in the season, with 781 entries. New Vice-Chairman – Louise Pounder. New Area Committee member – Martin Langhorn.

Proposal carried – Rule 84 (F, G, H, N) to read: “Open to all hounds/puppies not having won more than 2 higher grade trails, 2 wins allowed per season”.


C/P Area Points – results:

Open H – Canny Mover and Miterdale Steel (tie).         Open P – Huntsman’s Nimrod.

Open OR – Sweet Harmony.        Lazonby lower grades – Huntsman’s Magician.

Helton Points (Crown Prince’s trophy) – Rover.

Carol McGoldrick Memorial Trophy, Helton S.M. points – Artemis.

Shap/Helton Open Kennel – Denise Bland.         Shap Local Kennel – Malcolm & Ann Holmes.

Local H – Jenny’s Delight.                         Local P – Blondie.

Local OR – Sweet Harmony.                    Local SM – Sultan.

Local PM – Cracking Spirit.       Local OM - Summer Rose.

Local ONWOl’ Blue Eyes.

J.& C.Trophy for H or P with most points at Fellside & Calebreak – Huntsman’s Nimrod.

1941 Cup for area H or P with most points in lower grades – Meadow Dixie.

Kennel with most tickets: Malcolm Holmes (75)

AGM: 15 attended. 18 trail meetings held, with 1,484 entries – best ratio of trails/entries in the HTA. Lee Wall was co-opted onto the Area Committee, making a full complement of 12.

Top area H – Jenny’s Delight. Top area P – Blondie.


Cockermouth & Workington Area Points:

HWashington.      MFoxparke Hooligan.       P – Rhythm.      Opposite sex – Rover.      PM – Some Lad.

ONW – Encourage.       OM – Captain Jack/Barncroft Gold.     OR – Breeze.      V – Aspire.

Local Points:  H – Washington.     M – Bronco.    P – Rhythm.    PM – Solitaire.

ONW – Encourage.   OM - Barncroft Gold.   OR – Rita.    V Izzabella.

David & Elsie Harrison Trophy (Millstone Moor & Redmain) Miterdale Steel.

Moathill Trophy Miterdale Steel.

Kennel with most tickets: Joseph Abram & Nicola McMaster (194)

AGM: 15 members attended.  33 trail meetings were held, with 1,746 entries. Top area H – Washington (11 wins), top area P – Rhythm (10 wins).


H Silver Dusk.     P – Rhythm.      OM – Captain Jack.      OR – Breeze.

Jimmy Crone Memorial – Silver Dusk.     Jackie Hewitson Memorial – Rover.  Michael Renney Memorial – Silver Dusk.

Eric Walker Memorial – Rhythm.

Cash for Points H 1 Silver Dusk , 2 Washington , 3 Mystery Bound.        P 1 Rhythm, 2 Rita, 3 Rover.

Farrel Gorley Memorial – Rhythm.   Shindig Cup – Encourage.

Mitchell Auction trails: H Kinniside Joe.   M – Wanted.   P – Ranger.    PM – Release the Beast.    OR – Step Up.

Cockermouth Show: H – Silver Dusk.   M – Meadow Spot.   P – Rhythm.    PM – Rita.   V – Meadow Dixie.

Dean winners: H – Overwater Arnie; M – McCoy; P – Overwater Seth; PM – Prospect Spot; OM – Thorn Diamond; OR – Bronco; President’s Cup – Kinniside Joe.

Dearham Points – H – Washington;   P – Rhythm and Rover;   OM – Captain Jack ;   OR – Breeze.


Westmorland Area points winners:

Open H – Jenny’s Delight.    Area H – Queen.    Open P – Cuckoo Lane.     Area P – Best Mate.

M – Maybe.   PM – Super Sun.    OMLady Bethan.     OR – Jenny’s Breeze.      V – Capetown.

Four Shows – H Jenny’s Delight; P Huntsman’s Novice; Any other grade – Huntsman’s Jenny.

Local H, most wins – Canny Mover.    Local P, most wins – Best Mate.

AGM: 20 members attended. The 13 trail meetings attracted 689 entries. Top area H – Canny Mover (6 wins), top area P – Best Mate (15 wins).

Recommendation carried – Ear-marking to cease (as micro-chipping is now required by law). This will go forward to the AGM for discussion by the members. More information is needed about the

correct procedure and documentation etc. Earliest start date would be January 2020.



Bitches mated 2018/9

Miterdale Force (Free Spirit)

2 unnamed bitches (waiting for confirmation of pregnancy)

Lady Anne (Endure)

Jenny’s Rascal (Free Spirit)

Meadow Dixie (Jenny’s Choice)

Silver Charm (Endure)

Silverbelle (Valentino)

Spring Dazzler – Bhta  (Denton Eclipse)



REHOMING  -  to book hounds in for re-homing, please contact Sue Lloyd (016974 78383 evenings) or e-mail her on

Sue runs Lakeland Trailhound Welfare, and you can be assured that she will advise you and will make all arrangements for you.

The HTA has complete confidence in Sue, and we are extremely lucky to have her.


Latest slipping times:

April 1 - 6                               7.15 pm

April 7 – 14                            7.30 pm

April 15 – 22                          7.45 pm

April 23 – 29                          8.00 pm

April 30 – May 6                   8.15 pm

May 7 – 13                             8.30 pm

May 14 – 20                           8.45 pm

May 21 – 27                           9.00 pm

May 28 – July 8                     9.15 pm

July 9 – 21                              9.00 pm

July 22 – 28                            8.45 pm

July 29 – Aug 4                      8.30 pm

Aug 5 – 11                              8.15 pm

Aug 12 – 18                            8.00 pm

Aug 19 – 25                            7.45 pm

Aug 26 – Sept 1                      7.30 pm

Sept 2 – 8                                7.15 pm

Sept 9 – 15                              7.00 pm

Sept 16 – 22                            6.45 pm

Sept 23 – 30                            6.30 pm

Oct 1 – 6                 5.45 pm

Oct 7 – 13                               5.30 pm

Oct 14 – 20                             5.15 pm

Oct 21 – 24                             5.00 pm

Oct 25 – 27                             4.45 pm

Oct 28 – 31                             3.45 pm






Grid references to forthcoming trails:

Post codes for guidance only – may not be absolutely accurate:


Kirkbride, Airfield – NY229546 (North-west of Wigton)

Bower House, Eskdale – NY132002

Low Place, Eskdale – NY155017

Lazonby Fell – NY500405 (CA11 9RN approx. North of Penrith)

Grange-in-Borrowdale – NY255180 (CA12 5UQ approx.)

Helton – NY495213 (CA10 2QA approx. South of Penrith)

Threlkeld, Setmabanning – NY323246 (CA12 4TL approx. East of Keswick)

Oulton, Tarnrigg – NY247520 (CA7 0NS North-west of Wigton)

Gamelsby – NY258524 (CA7 0NX North-west of Wigton)

Cold Fell – NY055105 (Ennerdale Bridge – Calderbridge road)

Lamplugh – NY097216

Kendal, Soot Box – SD503918 (on the road from Kendal to Brigsteer)

Kirkland – NY087184

Rusland – SD331893 (LA12 8LB)

Bridekirk – NY120346 (CA13 0PE)

Rosthwaite – NY257152 (CA12 5XB)

Kirkstone Pass – NY406067 (LA22 9LQ, and 1 mile on towards Troutbeck)

Dean – NY067268

Mirkholme, Bassenthwaite – NY252325 (CA12 4QX approx.)

Newlands – NY237203

Grange Grassings – NY133373

Grasmere – NY342076

Redmain – NY132356

Millstone Moor – NY138365

Latrigg Top – NY283255

Calebreak – NY345358 (CA7 8JR)

Fellside – NY305370 (CA7 8HA)

Gatesgarth, Buttermere – NY193149 (CA13 9XA)



For further information, please call 017684 83686 or e-mail